"Tapas" (tapas)
12/28/2016 at 12:01 • Filed to: None
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"Tapas" (tapas)
12/28/2016 at 12:01 • Filed to: None | 2
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I can’t take it anymore, you guys!
Why do the producers think we are gullible enough to fall for a rosy picture - where the labor put in to making every car they “flip” is conveniently never included. I’m sure there’s other things behind the scenes that I don’t know of. And having a TV show always helps when you’re buying stuff off people.
I mean, its a show marketed to car guys any way. And we know its bs, so it makes no sense to have this flimsy facade of a narrative in the show!
But this episode is extra “special”. They agreed to buy the AMG fender and bumper kit off a guy for 15 grand, if he didn’t like the car! But if he liked the car, he could buy it.
The whole thing is obviously a charade! Good kits are impossible to find and that’s one of the biggest obstacles with replicating this.
We all know that taking on projects or paying for them is not cheap. And I’ve toyed with the idea of doing this project because the 560 SEC AMG is spectacular. So I watched this in the hopes of finding a revelation of some sort. Maybe it can be done this way and then, it would be doable.
But nope. These guys make it look way too easy :/
The only redeemable thing is that they walk you through all the steps. Even though I don’t work on cars or own one right now, I love seeing that and how different cars work. No other show does that. But then, why ruin all that with this other “flipping” nonsense? You’re a TV show. You don’t need to “flip cars for money”.
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> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 12:19 |
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How much did Jalopnik pay for the article he wrote about flipping the beetle?
petebmwm
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 12:21 |
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The ones I’ve seen recently include labor in hours, no mention of cost per hour though...
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Tapas
> petebmwm
12/28/2016 at 12:26 |
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Yes, I’ve noted that too. For this AMG replica build, they mentioned 79 hours of labor. That’s an eye watering $5k-$8k right there!
But that’s still not counting the countless hours scouring for parts online. Or, in some episodes, driving 500 miles to find that one car and miraculously ending up with a seller who practically bends over and asks the show to fuck him.
This 560 SEC that was running a bit rough was priced $5k online. The seller voluntarily told the camera, with no bargaining, that the best he can do is $2500. Where the hell are you going to find a deal like that?
I think its best to add about $15k in costs to do everything they do - which is their whole “budget” for the car+build most of the times. So what good does this “budget” do for me/other viewers?
fourvalleys
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 12:37 |
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The argument I’ve always seen is that they’re treating the labor as if you did the job yourself. Jobs you can’t do yourself (paint, wheel refurb, specialty jobs) get a cost assigned to them on the show.
Of course, Edd is a lot more skilled than most people watching the show, so there are probably even more jobs the casual viewer would have to pay for.
It’s good that they (apparently) list the total labor hours now, but you have to decide if XX hours of labor is worth a few hundred in profit.
Kanaric
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 13:05 |
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I know a guy that could do all this work. He bizarrely spent his time rebuilding a 280ZX Turbo, but it was his car when it was 16.
They do work on this that the average enthusiast for sure cannot do but there are guys that could do it. It just won’t take a weekend like they make it look lmao.
EL_ULY
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 13:11 |
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I just watched this last week. I 100% feel your pain
Jobjoris
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 13:13 |
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> Kanaric
12/28/2016 at 13:27 |
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That’s pretty amazing! Such people are few and far in between.
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> fourvalleys
12/28/2016 at 13:33 |
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While I agree with that argument to some degree, I think equipment is also an important factor in addition to skill.
If a very competent person doesn’t have a fully equipped garage, they’d be easily l00king at $4k-5k more in cost to farm that out to a shop or in getting that equipment.
So if you’re targeting an audience that has a world class shop and is a very skillful person, I don’t know how many people that is in the world.
If they cut out that whole “lets flip a car” angle and keep everything else, it would still be a very compelling show. In fact, that would give them more time to explain the fixes in detail! They wouldn’t lose people who are interested in flipping either - I’m sure they can draw their conclusions if the cost and labor hours are given.
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Kanaric
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 13:47 |
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Well that guy was a master mechanic and he worked at mitsubishi and later a restoration shop and was in that line of work for at least 30 years lol. That’s the only kind of person I can expect to do a real life wheeler dealers like this AMG episode. The MR2 episode, sure, that one we here can do lol.
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fourvalleys
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 13:54 |
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That’s a very very good point, as well.
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> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 14:11 |
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“Why do the producers think we are gullible enough to fall for a rosy picture”
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> Kanaric
12/28/2016 at 14:40 |
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whoa!
Chasaboo
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 15:09 |
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Yeah, I watched a few EPs of this show, but I had to stop as the fantasyland they were creating about old cars was just not healthy for my brain, or wallet.
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> Chasaboo
12/28/2016 at 15:20 |
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Thank you!
Its like they tease you by how easy shit is through the episode and you go along with that for a bit. Then your mind wanders when they are going into platitudes about the car after its done....blah blah blah Crackin’ Mow-tah!.....*I wonder how many hours that is in labor? 50 hours? Whoa!*...We have found a buyer and I reckon $26k is a fair price......*oh Autotrader average value of this car is actually $7k more FUCK!*....and that’s our show. Thank you Ed!
Its like a dick tease every time, but worse lol
BritishLeyland™
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 15:44 |
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Is that Willow Springs Raceway? Geez, small world we live in.
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> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 15:59 |
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Wat.
This is how it works. They buy a car, put parts and labor into it, and what’s left over afterwards is their profit, i.e. the value of their labor. The whole point is that it’s not a fixed fee for their labor because they’re not a shop. Sometimes that means they’ll earn a few hundred dollars per each hour of labor invested; sometimes that means they may only barely earn double digits per hour of labor invested.
Want a calc? Divide the profit by the hours of labor put into it. Not enough for you? Take the hours of labor they provide and multiply it by your favored shop rate, say $100-120 an hour, and add it to the cost. Voila, you’ve burdened it with labor costs.
The whole point of Wheeler Dealer is that that’s how these dudes got their start. Buying cars that needed repairs that they thought they could do and earn more money than operating a shop only servicing customers cars. It’s how thousands and thousands of flippers around the world do it every day. Instead of waiting for customers to bring you cars, you create billable labor for yourself, but that labor rate is variable based upon your profit off of the car. It’s one of the simplest, realest concepts in all of car sales.
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petebmwm
> Tapas
12/28/2016 at 18:26 |
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Entertainment. Thats all.
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> BritishLeyland™
12/28/2016 at 22:19 |
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Yep. It’s a very well known and often used raceway (in film and real life)....I don’t understand why you feel that way.
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BritishLeyland™
> Tapas
12/30/2016 at 10:47 |
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It’s just that in my head, Wheeler dealers is still this small little British show about used cars and Willow springs is this kind of legendary american raceway.
Seing the two combined is a bit like two different worlds coming together (again, this is just how I feel).
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> BritishLeyland™
12/30/2016 at 14:40 |
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Oh, I see what you mean. Its like that Star Trek’s Hogwarts episode......